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The Sugar diet is making the social media rounds.

This is a no fat, high carbohydrate diet.

Just like the rice diet : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_diet

The potato diet, and the McDougal diet, the fruitarian diet

From what I can tell the principal mechanism of action is avoiding Randle cycle cross inhibition (not a cycle) which avoids systemic inflammation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle

In this video Jesus goes over the reported effects of the high carb no fat diets and plausible mechanical effects in the context of muscle gain.

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Why the Sugar Diet

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Dr. Jesus Vega discusses the controversial Sugar Diet, exploring its potential benefits and drawbacks. He shares insights from Mark Bell's protocol, which restricts other food types while allowing fruits and sugars for a limited period each week. The conversation highlights how this diet aims to promote fat burning while minimizing muscle loss. Additionally, he cautions against relying solely on this diet for long-term health, noting possible negative effects on insulin sensitivity and metabolic health, as well as the need for balanced nutrition.

Key Points

Introduction to Sugar Diet

The Sugar Diet has gained popularity, with Mark Bell promoting a specific protocol. The discussion highlights that this diet includes consuming fruits, fruit juices, honey, and some candies over several days to push the metabolism into fat-burning.

Benefits of Sugar Diet

The Sugar Diet may help with weight loss without significant muscle loss. The diet aims to promote fat burning by limiting fat intake and allowing the body to use stored fat as energy, potentially making exercise easier during sugar fasting.

Difference from Other Diets

Unlike the Keto diet, which trains the body to burn dietary fat, the Sugar Diet relies on sugar and internal fat stores. This can lead to less muscle loss than traditional fasting, but there are potential long-term consequences.

Hormonal Effects

This diet could balance between fat-burning and muscle retention through hormonal influences, specifically increasing fibroblast growth factor 21 (FGF21) but potentially decreasing insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), impacting muscle growth.

Caveats and Risks

Despite short-term benefits, the long-term sustainability and health impacts of the Sugar Diet are uncertain. Concerns include metabolic flexibility, insulin sensitivity, nutrient deficiencies, and the risk of developing unhealthy eating patterns.

Call for Research

The Sugar Diet lacks extensive scientific testing to support its claims. Dr. Vega emphasizes the need for more data on its long-term effects and the importance of not neglecting overall health in favor of short-term results.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's ironic because I just watched this video

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Wow that video is talking directly to me.

I was drinking Soylent for about 2 years. Almost exclusively. So that's a type of veganism, but supposedly engineered to hit all of the daily requirements.

Now I'm carnivore. Straight out of that guy script. It's amazing

I can absolutely say that doctor's in the carnivore and keto space, absolutely want to see structural change in the guidelines, in the medical community, in the practicing procedures

Earthling Ed references "thousands of high quality studies" to dismiss the benefits of keto and carnivore, thats just lazy.

The core problem with Ed's thesis is it relies on his assumptions to be unquestioned and correct, and being incredulous of anything outside of Ed's views. Painting everything as Cognitive dissonance and the right wing radicalization pipeline, its hardly a objective analysis of data and outcomes of different protocols. Thus Ed is dismissing carnivores as Right Wing conspiracy nuts and conveniently doesn't need to look at their data and outcomes.

At 20:40 he says "Anecdotes are the weakest form of evidence that exists" Yet the "thousands of high quality studies" he alludes to earlier, are very weakly powered, low associative hazard ratio, epidemiological studies which are only qualified to be hypothesis generating, and not "high quality" science. If we are being generous we would call such studies very weak evidence.

I do agree Paul Saladino is a clown, never practiced medicine in his life, doesn't do research. He is more a influencer then a medical practitioner.

Ed does fall for the "no true scottsman" logical fallacy dismissing people's vegan experiences.

28:16 Right Wing, Wellness, Carnivore world view

I really dislike his politicizing dietary protocols, that is just dirty pool. Plus his ending video hook that the right wing wellness carnivore people only want to sell you stuff.... is very much incorrect. A keto/carnivore protocol doesn't require buying anything from anyone, there is no supplement needed... everything can/should be purchased locally from the grocery store/butcher. No subscriptions or influencer peddling is necessary.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

Since I watched the video and wrote my rebuttal here, I thought I'd just make it a post on the [email protected] sub.

https://hackertalks.com/post/11246395

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think the evidence of no fat high carbohydrate diets is clear. They do work. If the question is are they optimal - they are clearly not. There's no essential nutrition in sugar.

There is a tremendous amount of nutrition that is only available in fat. Which people following these diets are completely missing

Most famously Penn Gillette of Penn and Teller fame use the potato diet to lose a tremendous amount of weight. But he does not look healthy at the end.

I think the sugar diet fits the classic definition of a fad diet. It's not sustainable, it's missing essential and required nutrition. As a thought experiment just imagine you could only eat pure granulated sugar everyday. At some point you would die from malnutrition. I think that's clearly obvious.

Not to mention insulin levels in people following these diets, as well as glycation damage throughout their entire bodies. I do wonder what their HBA1c would look like

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@[email protected] Quick question -

You didn't downvote the post itself, so you agree with the sugar diet?

But you downvoted my explanation of the mechanisms, so you don't think it works by inhibiting Randel cycle oxidative stress?

Usually you just downvote everything, i just want to see if there is some more nuance here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think your diet is nonsense and I blocked your community so I don't have to see it anymore. No worries, I won't downvote anymore.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right, I agree the Sugar diet is nonsense, but the mechanics behind it are interesting thats why i made this post to talk about it.

I am not following the sugar diet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When you say things like "the sugar diet works"... Well anyone with any knowledge is just going to be dismissive - because it doesn't "work" generally.

If the title was "the sugar diet works for X" that would be different.

Plus in that image, the sugar diet didn't make that guy look like that. His insane working out did, and he probably did a lot of that before going on some wacky "sugar diet".

A better title would help - something conveying there's surprising info to be found here, despite the idea being wacky.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Sure, I'll update the post title

Sugar Diet - How it "Works"

When i first encountered the rice diet, I was very confused about how it worked at all in any of the studies to get any results. It didn't fit into my insulin centric view of T2D and hypertension. The Randel cycle inflammation aspect was eye opening to me as a possible mechanistic explanation of the "success" of these interventions.