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Some 125 Indian and Pakistani fighter jets battled for over an hour in one of the biggest dogfights in recent history, according to a Pakistani security source quoted by CNN.

If the numbers of aircraft were confirmed, it would make it one of the largest air battles since World War Two.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's modern dogfighting. Don't viate enemy airspace so ground AA can't get you. Rely on BVR missiles because if you are in range with guns something went terribly wrong

[–] [email protected] 151 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

On the off chance that you're not joking, what @[email protected] is pointing out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight

A dogfight, or dog fight, is an aerial battle between fighter aircraft that is conducted at close range.

A "dogfight" isn't just a synonym for an air-to-air engagement, but specifically refers to a close-range one.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Has there been a actual dogfight since Vietnam?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Falklands had several well documented ones. mirages vs harriers with aim9Ls, it didn't end well for the Argentines

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There were some in the first gulf war. People forget but iraq had the sixth largest airforce at the time and were able to shoot down a couple American planes before being overwhelmed and fleeing to Iran.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

fleeing to Iran

That's ironic, given their war before.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Pushing allies into enemies is what we do best apparently.

This is particularly bizarre considering Al Qaeda was sworn enemies to Iraq. How does that saying go? Oh yeah, the enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, if we consider that some long-range middle engagements are launched from thousand of miles away, surely 100mi can be considered 'close range' by comparison?

How long does it even take a jet to travel 100mi when going Mach 2 or 3?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

2-3 min at 8,000 m height.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is most modern day combat. Getting shot at by things from tens to hundreds of kms. Most people think of WW2 action movies, which are already pretty unrealistic. Or maybe in this case Star Wars dogfights, which are just... lol