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men… Negative think”

One last thing though: what do you mean by this? The way its framed, it sounds like you mean it as a literal quote…but I’m not sure what context that could exist in to make that make sense?

Oops I meant "men... Negative thing" as in a statement starting with men followed by a negative statement (e.g. men are such pigs!)

And I am venting frustrations but also saying it's a vent post because of the powerlessness to enact a solution outside of my immediate reach, which is the real solution is do what is can to be better to people I interact with and it will spread but it's one thing irl and one thing with social media where it's a beast trying to defeat better communication with "engagement", it's fighting an uphill battle. Can't dismantle the master's house with the master's tools as they say.

I don’t think the problem is as severe or systemic as you’re making it out to be. I think if the individual you’re speaking to lashes out at the mention of you being a man, then that individual is an asshole and that’s just kinda the end of it.

I think the problem here is that there is a tendency to support your own team so to speak and oppose the other team that gets used to justify being an asshole and turns into a dogpile. Or birds of a feather flock together maybe. Either way the voices of those people get amplified and shout down anyone who disagrees.

Take the CEO of the onion dating a woman running for a position in the House of Representatives, the loudest voices were just being dismissive of the idea that that should be anyone's business or that either of them would ever do anything unethical with that relationship or that satire isn't journalism and the CEO can't have influence over anyone.

which holy shit if a politician on the right was dating the CEO of a right wing company people would be really upset, and there were plenty of people pointing this out or that the same standards should apply regardless of party and not calling for any consequences either, but then getting told that they're really just trolls who want her to not run for office because the social hivemind on the left loves to find the worst examples of people and then say that anyone who agrees with a base opinion they hold must be the same as those people.

which drives me fucking nuts because it's exactly what the right does but they do it to the left while the left does it to their own fucking base whether it be about applications of ethics or gender stuff

And this absence means that all that progressive men ear is what’s targeting at the conservative assholes. And more often than not it makes no distinction. In fact, very often it even warns those men that pretend to be allies but aren’t. This antagonistic discourse is wearing and tearing on the soul.

Yeah well put

I mean I just got told on Bluesky that it's ok to say "men.... Negative think" And it's everyone else's responsibility to know you really just mean specific men and I'm telling on myself as one of those men for taking any issue with the practice.

Hell the post I was originally replying to had screenshots of people being shitty to men and the response to them was that random posts aren't proof when like yes that's how proof works, but the goalpost gets moved to "well it's not a real problem" and downplayed instead of anyone just defusing the situation by saying "yeah that sucks, people shouldn't be shitty to men just like they shouldn't be shitty to women".

I'm not keeping a collection of posts nor do I think it's this sweeping universal thing, I run into posts being shitty and ignore them and move on until I make a vent post about it but I'm not tracking them as they happen, which apparently you need to because that's the other counter, that anecdotes aren't proof, which agreed they aren't, but it's telling IMO that the reaction to guys saying they feel this way is usually a lot more charged and accusatory than a guy saying he doesn't like the current state of things.

The first rule in the sidebar is “assume good faith” but multiple comments are making (afaict) groundless accusations of bating. What gives?

Because the actual baiting is calling anything that doesn't go with the desired consensus of the accuser as bait.

That if a man says "hey I'm a man I don't want to be picked on I want to be accepted for who I am" the response isn't "ah ok cool sounds good we want that for everyone", it's a dismissal and assumption that being a man means you already are accepted or don't need community outside of what men are painted to be.

Appreciate it

I’m honestly more mad at the Dems at this point for just continuing to do nothing while the right runs roughshod over the law and the people.

The Democrats have shown that they intend to continue to lose and will not take meaningful action to protect the public, it’s pathetic

Agreed, I just wish state leadership wasn’t backing the cops over the people. They talk tough but they’ve shown they’ll back down when push comes to shove

MA state leaders are cowards, they know the cops support Trump and gladly lie to us about it

Yeah they tried that in Worcester and that’s why like 50 cops showed up