So, that's what it's like to live through a state sponsored genocide. Apocalyptic for the victims, banal for the rest.
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Most times of state-created suffering do not feel abnormal to most people.
Milton Mayer interviewed a bunch of German civilians after World War 2, and most of them remembered the concentration camp years as good times and had a positive view of Hitler. Only the professor among them really even had much awareness that anything important had been happening during that time; most of the others were just concerned with issues of family, their work life, their economic situation, and so on.
This was the plan the whole time; genocide and conquest.
Remember when everyone was like, "What??? They would never do that!"
There'll be people denying that's the plan while the death camps are open. Just like Nazis kept denying the Holocaust the whole time, and even after the fact.
They must deny that their targets even exist, to further depersonalization, so they don't even have the dignity of being acknowledged as an oppressed minority. "We didn't do it, because they don't exist; and if they did, we would be in our rights to enact our final solution for them."
After all, how could they be held responsible for committing atrocities against a group who doesn't exist?
There'll be people denying that's the plan while the death camps are open. Just like Nazis kept denying the Holocaust the whole time, and even after the fact.
This seems appropos
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/wenn_das_der_F%C3%BChrer_w%C3%BCsste
Sure don't.
I do remember thinking that any of my fellow Americans who refused to vote for Kamala because she wasn't anti-Israel enough for them were super fucking stupid because electing Trump obviously OBVIOUSLY O B V I O U S L Y would lead to this exact outcome.
That's what I remember.
This was obviously the outcome no matter who was elected. Israel has always been very clear about this.
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New plan?
Yea this has been the plan since 1897 as stated at the first zionist conference
"New plan" like this wasn't always the end goal
Damn, so full annexation of the Gaza strip. Someone should tell them that that's against the UN charter. They might get a strongly worded email if they're not careful. Shit, they might even lose their membership!
sniff
Something smell like genocide in here
As if that wasn't the goal all along. The UN finally got around to calling it genocide, and still nobody's actually lifting a finger to stop it - so why sugar-coat their intentions any longer.
It's genocide. Just say it.
Lebensraum
...again.
well I held my vote for the Democrats, i don't know what else you want me to do.
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Good thing the dems made it easy by putting the interests of a foreign genocidal apartheid state before their voters. With a bit of luck, we might be able to successfully blame everyone but them, and they might be confident enough to repeat the same strategy and lose the next election as well.
They are receiving plenty of blame. In the mean time, we get to watch Trump destroy our country, cheer on the genocide in Gaza, and openly flirt with invading our allies. All thanks to the morons that bought into propaganda telling them not to vote.
So you’re saying the democrats are receiving proper blame for supporting the genocidal state, but it’s the people who didn’t vote for either of the pro-genocide candidates that are to blame?
Why do so many people constantly just misframe this argument as “it’s the people who didn’t vote’s fault!” And not the fault of the actual people in power for not standing up to a genocide, for once again moving right to capture a “centrist swing” voter, for parading out the fucking neocons as proof of their ability to fucking govern, and for openly arming the genocide?
You want to lay blame at voters’ feet, but not the people who couldn’t do enough to earn the votes of people…asking not to be involved in genocide. Our votes aren’t theirs to fucking have no matter what they do. What they have done and will do in power matters. If it doesn’t, what the fuck is the point of voting? Why not just trade places back and forth for increasingly bold warmongers and autocrats?
Don’t blame the voter for not sacrificing their morals and for not holding their nose and saying maybe they wont keep contributing to genocide. Blame the people fucking supporting genocide.
I blame them for making my minority friends fear for the lives they've built in the us.
I blame them for making my trans sister fear for her life.
I blame them for allowing republicans to completely destroy social services and vital parts of the US government.
There was so much more at stake than continued genocide in a country half way around the world.
They deserve at least some of the blame, because they allowed all this to happen.
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“They’re both immoral, voting doesn’t make a difference” is how autocracies like Russia come to be.
Vote for the least bad side. It’s that simple. Protest during the primaries, protest after the election, but don’t freaking protest vote by effectively voting for something an order of magnitude worse on your very issues.
Doesn’t matter if Biden/Harris came out and personally handed Netanyahu bombs after hugging him every day… If this is your single issue vote, you vote for the party that doesn’t literally want to flatten Gaza, no matter how bad they are.
No, Russia became an autocracy by never being a free state after the fall of the Soviet Union.
The chaos of just adding a president to the existing Soviet order and then the overpowered oligarchs vying for power and buying the “privatized” industries through nepotism and backroom deals is how it happened. Not to mention Yeltsin literally forcing his constitution into law by having tanks fire on the parliament and arresting its members, resulting in an incredibly powerful president who appointed basically the entire government.
The same few oligarchs and corrupt politicians retaining power, especially when the president holds outsized power in the system led the country to an autocracy. It wasnt from people thinking “both are immoral, voting doesn’t make a difference.”
The Russian people know voting doesn’t make a difference because the government did nothing to show they’re trustworthy. 88% of the vote, the competitors being arrested or suicided?
Ignoring immoral politicians and giving them power despite their shortcomings is far more likely to lead to autocracy. It’s not on the voter to cast their vote. It’s on the politicians to earn the votes. Thinking it’s the other way around is incredibly twisted. And honestly really sad that that’s the way people think.
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And those "morons" will fall it again if the dems keep creating situations that make them look terrible. They are acting like villains, of course its easy for russia to convince people they are.
How easy is it to just tell Israel to fuck off? Yet im suppose to pat them on the back and blame the evil voters that just couldnt swallow their pride and support ethnic cleansing? Id rather they grew some balls and stopped presenting Trump Lite as their official party strategy.
They aren't receiving enough blame if there are still people that are scapegoating ordinary folk that felt genocide, of all things, was were the line should be drawn. It's normal to not support genocide, the lunatics that tried to push it as a platform are the only ones to blame.
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